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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/4/2001 9:17 am  
To:  ALL   (1 of 42)  
 
  221.1  
 
Received the following in an e-mail

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This is spooky......
> 
> THE HAIR STOOD UP ON MY ARMS AFTER DOING THIS!!!
> 
> The American Airlines flight code for the plane that crashed into Tower
> #1 was Q33NY.
> 
> In Microsoft Word:
> 
> create a new document
> type Q33NY in all caps
> highlight it
> click on format
> select fonts
> increase font size to 26
> change font to the first wingdings font
> 
> Is it coincidence?

 

Results:

 

Q33NY





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/4/2001 9:27 am  
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Is stuff like the following post a Coincidence or is it communication from the Demonic realm?

 

There are many similar phenomena like the preceding post, especially in rock music, movies, poetry, architecture, and such where there is a hidden demonic message.

 

To me things like this are a reminder that we are not alone that there is a spirit realm and part of the spirit realm is Demonic as Exercised by their messages of hate death and destruction.

 

This is just another of many opportunities to Reject Satan and his messages of Death and to Receive the Love of Jesus and His abundant Life.

 

 

 





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  From:  BenRDeemed (ScottR1982)   10/4/2001 12:43 pm  
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  221.3 in reply to 221.1  
 
David, 
The Q33NY is an urban legend and nothing more. There was no relation of either flight that hit the trade centers and the charactor sequence Q33NY. 

http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/wingding.htm 

Scott
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/4/2001 1:04 pm  
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  221.4 in reply to 221.3  
 
Thanks for the link!

 

Your Link and Info are defiantly better than what I posted.

 

 





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/4/2001 1:23 pm  
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  221.5 in reply to 221.4  
 
NYC

 

NYC in Webdings font set NYC

 


NYC in Wingdings font set NYC

 

 





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/4/2001 1:58 pm  
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  221.6 in reply to 221.5  
 
Since this thread is a spooky topic.. Here is a link to a web site that has several of the WTC Smoke Images David A. Brown Basic Christian: Forum

http://www.september11news.com/Mysteries1.htm 



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  From:  Rune (Rune__)   10/4/2001 3:15 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (7 of 42)  
 
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Has christianity resorted to this? Cloud watching? 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/4/2001 6:05 pm  
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The Bible teaches that when a person dies an Angel brings that person to the throne of God.

 

Matthew 13:38,39 .. the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; .. the reapers are the Angels.

 

It seems to be required that an angel protect us from demonic spirits and bring us into the presence of God. Satan himself attempted to steal the body of Moses.

 

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the Archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord Rebuke Thee.

 

Everyone in the presence of God then bows their knee and confesses that Jesus is God to the Glory of the Father. Unbelievers will do this and then be told to depart as God does not know them. Christians will do this and then be welcomed into the Everlasting Kingdom of God. The difference being that a Christian is clean from all sin having accepted the death of Jesus, on the cross, in our place for our sins. The Non-Christian is still contaminated by there own sins and therefore sin cannot remain in the presence of the Holy God. They are told to depart out of the presence of God to the place called Hell.

 

In one of those pictures of smoke it looks like a good angel is holding off demons just as the building is collapsing.

 

Whether the smoke is just smoke or we are getting a glimpse of the spirit realm displayed in the smoke is debatable and it is very interesting. Whether the smoke represents it or not the spirit realm is extremely active especially during times of death.

 

We do not have to die to get the attention of good Angels. They are also around us as we worship and praise God and they are interested in our behavior and are around our acts of charity, mercy kindness and goodness towards others.





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  From:  The Rebecca Review.com (A281NPSIMI1C)   10/18/2001 4:55 am  
To:  Rune (Rune__) unread  (9 of 42)  
 
  221.9 in reply to 221.7  
 
There was a freaky devil in the smoke kinda picture, I saw it on other sites as well, untouched. It was originally at the artbell.com site and someone copied it to a forum. I don't know if it is still up....was pretty freaky. 
The whole Q thing is going around in e-mail, or was. We debunked it as well. 

The number 11 was WAY more significant. It was in everything. Also, the number 5 came up a lot when I added up numbers. Not really into numerology, but I do sometimes add up dates, etc. just for fun. 

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From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/18/2001 9:43 am  
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*Note It is not a coincidence but a Design that WWI ended on the 11th month, 11th Day, & 11th Hour.

 

Source: http://www.september11news.com/Mysteries2.htm

The Number 11 Mysteriously Dominates the Events of
the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks in the USA. 


The Number 11
Editor's Comments

The number 11 has been linked to mystery and power since ancient times. All forms of number research and
study, including Numerology, the ancient science of Gematria, and the secret wisdom of Kabbalah, all give
 significant importance to 11, and 11 derivatives -  22, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77, 88, and 99.

The number 11 is considered a master number.

The first Great War, World War 1, ended on the 11th hour, of the 11th day, of the 11th month. To this day,
victims and veterans are remembered at that specific time. In Tolkein's The Lord of the Rings, the number 11
is described as a curious number, and reaching your 111th birthday is an event. The USA skipped sequence
numbers on the Apollo moon missions to ensure it was Apollo 11 that landed on the moon. In ancient Egypt
King Tutankhamen's tomb had combinations of 11 in the jewelry he wore, and he had 11 oars placed on the
floor surrounding his tomb. The number 11, and particularly the number 33, have significance to Freemasons,
 and other secretive groups.

In addition, there have been thousands of people worldwide who have recently expressed a strong feeling
towards 11. This has been widely reported for the last 5-10 years, and is now commonly referred to as
the 11:11 experience, referring to the time of 11:11.

The overwhelming quantity of elevens, surfacing from the events, people, and places related to the 9-11-2001
attacks, is remarkable. It is as if someone planned the events to occur around the number eleven. If it was
not planned, then the coincidence of the numbers, seems even more mysterious and improbable.

We have also found an 11-year cycle in Osama bin Laden's life. The life changing events occur every 11
years, when bin Laden is 11, 22, 33, and 44.

Following are the patterns of elevens that we have uncovered thusfar. 
The Dates 
The date of the attack:   9/11 -  9 + 1 + 1 = 11. 
September 11 has 9 letters and 2 numbers: 9+2=11. 
The number 911 is the international telephone number for emergencies. 
September 11th is the 254th day of the  year:   2 + 5 + 4 = 11. 
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. 

New York City - 11 Letters Flight AA11 & The Target 
New York City - 11 Letters 
The first plane to hit the towers was American Airlines Flight 11. 
The Flight 11 call letters were AA11: A=1, A=1, AA=11. 
Four of the hijackers on flight AA11 have the initials A. A. for their names: AA=11. 
The fifth AA11 hijacker was the pilot, Mohamed Atta, 11 letters, and AA in last name. 
Flight AA11 had 92 people on board - 9 + 2 =  11. 
Flight AA11 had 11 crew members - 2 pilots and 9 flight attendants. 
The target of Flight AA11 was in New York City -11 letters. 
The State of  New York was the 11th State added to the Union. 
Trade Center is 11 letters, and Skyscrapers is 11 letters. 
World Trade Center Towers is 22 letters - 2 x 11 =22. 
The WTC Twin Towers - standing side by side, look like the number 11. 
The WTC Towers are each 110-storeys high. 
The North Tower of the WTC was the first to collapse. It fell at 10:28 A.M. -1+2+8=11. 
The 1st Fire Unit to arrive to the WTC towers was FDNY Unit 1. Unit 1 lost 11 firemen. 

The Pentagon - 11 letters Flight UA77 & The Target 
The Pentagon - 11 letters 
The plane that hit the Pentagon was United Airlines Flight 77 -11 x 7 =77. 
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 =  11. 
The target of Flight 77 was The Pentagon - 11  Letters. 
One of the walls of The Pentagon collapses at 10:10 A.M. 
United Airlines Flight 93 crashes in a Pennsylvania field at 10:10 A.M. 
 
Colin Powell - 11 letters People & Places 
George W. Bush - 11 letters 
According to the  FBI, earlier terrorists originally planned to hijack 11 planes. 
Thirty days after the attack, the FBI releases a Most Wanted Terrorist List with 22 names. 
Mohammed, the prophet of the Muslim faith, died in 632 A.D. - 6+3+2=11. 
The Taliban's Manual of Afghan Jihad (Holy War) is 11 volumes. 
119  is the area code to Iraq/Iran - 1  + 1 + 9 = 11. 
The League of Arab States is comprised of 22 Arab nations - 2 x 11 = 22. 
 The suspected base of the terrorists is Afghanistan - 11  Letters. 
Osama bin Laden's birthplace is Saudi Arabia - 11 letters. 
Ramzi Yousef - convicted of orchestrating the 1993 WTC attack - 11 Letters. 
The Prime Minister of Israel - Ariel Sharon - 11 Letters. 
Deputy PM, & Minister of Foreign Affairs for Israel - Shimon Peres - 11 Letters. 
The President of the USA - George W. Bush - 11 letters. 
The Previous USA President - Bill Clinton - 11 letters. 
The US Secretary of State - Colin Powell - 11 letters. 
Independence Day in the USA is July 4th - 7 + 4 = 11. 

Osama bin Laden's History with Plane Crashes and an 11-Year Cycle. 
We also note that the September 11 attacks were not the only plane crashes related
to Osama bin Laden. In 1968 Osama bin Laden's father, Mohammed Awad bin Laden,
died in a plane crash. Osama, born in 1957, was 11 years old at the time.

Osama's oldest brother, Salem bin Laden, then took over the family business. Twenty
years later in 1988, Salem also died in a plane crash. The plane that crashed was
a BAC 1-11. 
Father and brother
die in plane crashes. 
There is a notable eleven year cycle in Osama bin Laden's life that begins at 11,
when his father dies in 1968. This is the age that Osama "turned to God."

Eleven years later, in 1979, when Osama is 22, Russia invades Afghanistan. Osama
says, "I was enraged and went there at once." Another eleven years later, in 1990,
when Osama is 33, Iraq invades Kuwait, and American forces land in Saudi Arabia.
Again Osama was infuriated, he forms al-Qaeda, and says that Americans troops were
now "in our most holy lands." Another eleven years later, in 2001, when Osama is 44,
Osama's organization attacks the America in New York and Washington.

The four life changing events in Osama bin Laden's life occur in an 11-year cycle
beginning at 11 and continuing every 11 years. Osama's defining moments occur
when he is 11, 22, 33, and 44. 
Life follows an 11
year cycle at ages
11, 22, 33, and 44. 
Osama bin Laden notices dates. The bombings of the USA Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, occurred on
August 7, 1998. The American troops landed in Saudi Arabia, bin Laden's homeland, on August 7, 1990. 

 

Anthrax Hits America Within Weeks of the September 11 Attacks.
Is this the Eleventh Plague? 
On March 25, 2001 CBC Canada Broadcast a Report Called:
Bio-terrorism: the Eleventh Plague
 CBC / Producer Bob Carty

Swarms of frogs, gnats, flies and locusts. Livestock diseased. People with boils. Hail storms that kill, rivers that
turn to blood, daytime that turns dark. And the death of the firstborn child.

Those are the ten terrible plagues of the Old Testament. Today, however, scientists and military experts say we
should be worried about a new affliction - the eleventh plague. It's the use of living things like plague,
smallpox, anthrax, and new diseases like Ebola, as weapons of mass destruction - and mass terror.

Strategic experts say that a dozen nation states and an equal number of terrorist groups may now possess
biological weapons. That possibility is why, just six weeks ago, officials evacuated hundreds of people from
buildings in Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver when it was feared that they had been infected by biological
agents.

For a long time, officials in western democratic societies were reluctant to talk about biological terrorism.
Talking about it might encourage it. But that's changed in the last few years. The threat of a biological attack
against a North American city is now so great that officials feel the topic must be broached. And discussed.
And assessed. 
 The Eleventh Plague
was also the title of
two books, both
released prior to the
September 2001
anthrax attacks. One
is fiction, and one is
non-fiction. The
category of both
books is bio-terrorism.  







David A. Brown
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From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/18/2001 9:54 am  
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There seems to be plenty of Prior Knowledge of the WTC attacks. The Stock Market is Investigating large transactions that Benefited from the disaster. Very Sick!

Source: http://www.september11news.com/Mysteries2.htm


Did Some People Foretell the Attacks?
The Following Mysterious Events Were Reported Following the
September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks. 

 ON September 26, 2001 the European Newspaper
De Telegraaf Reported the Following Story:
De Telegraaf

A calendar which was printed in Egypt for the month of September shows a
crashing passenger plane with Manhattan and the Statue of Liberty as a
backdrop. The calendar was printed in May, a full three months before the
Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on America, and has caused an uproar in the Dutch
town of Almere, Netherlands.

The calendar was distributed at an Islamic school long before the World Trade
Center attacks. The Mayor was alerted to the calendar's existence in the local
Islamic school in the town of Almere, and immediately notified the Dutch
internal security service (BVD) about the strange coincidence. The BVD is
reportedly investigating the matter.

The Almere Town Council has "urgently advised" the management of the
Islamic School Foundation to "cooperate with the Dutch authorities and help
determine the calendar's origin."

The head of the Islamic school, allegedly had a large number of calendars in
her possession from the end of May to the beginning of June, well-informed
sources informed De Telegraaf. When confronted with the calendar images,
she responded in a shocked, startled manner, asking "How did you get this"
before shrouding herself in silence when further questioned by journalists. 
"I am supported by Allah, to
die for Allah" is quoted on the
September calendar above.
These are the same words
reportedly used by an Egypt
Air pilot who allegedly crashed
a jet in November of 1999. 
On September 19, 2001 the Houston Chronicle
Reported the Following Story:
Houston Chronicle

The day before terrorists attacked New York and Washington, a fifth-grader in a Dallas suburb told his teacher
World War III would begin the next day, school officials have told the FBI.

The boy was absent from school the day of the attacks, Sept. 11, and the following day, but has been at school
since then, said Rhonda Lucich, a director of elementary education for the Garland Independent School District.

Lucich said the boy approached his teacher on the afternoon of Sept. 10 and casually told her:

"Tomorrow, World War III will begin. It will begin in the United States, and the United States will lose."

Lucich said the child's statements were passed along to the FBI. She said she did not know whether the agency
had acted on the tip. An FBI spokesman could not be reached for comment.

"It is one of those things I sincerely want to believe was coincidental," Lucich said.

Lucich declined to name the elementary school involved. She said she was told about the boy's comment by
his teacher and the school's principal two days after the Sept. 11 attacks. 

Album Cover Depicts WTC in Flames Months Before Attacks

The Oakland based band, Coup, released their new album on
July 19, 1991. The front cover eerily depicts the World Trade
Center Towers exploding in smoke. The album has been pulled
and the album cover replaced.
Click on the cover image for a larger image.  
DOJ Emergency Response to Terrorism Manual Depicts WTC
Towers as Targets on Cover Before Attacks

The Department of Justice has been training civic officials
and law enforcement officers terrorism response techniques
with a manual depicting twin towers as targets. These manuals
  were in use prior to the September 11 attacks on the WTC.
Click on the cover image for a larger image.  
On September 27, 2001 the Washington Post
Reported the Following Story:
Newsbytes

Officials at an instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed today that two employees received text messages
warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the
New York landmarks.

Citing a pending investigation by law enforcement, the company declined to reveal the exact contents of the
message or to identify the sender.

But Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed that workers in Odigo's research and
development and international sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user
approximately two hours prior to the first attack.

Diamandis said the sender of the instant message was not personally known to the Odigo employees. Even
though the company usually protects the privacy of users, the employees recorded the Internet protocol
address of the message's sender to facilitate his or her identification.

Soon after the terrorist attacks on New York, the Odigo employees notified their management, who contacted
Israeli security services. In turn, the FBI was informed of the instant message warning. FBI officials were not
immediately available for comment today.

The Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others
based on certain interests or demographics. Diamandis said it was possible that the attack warning was
broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the
message. 

 

Crosses are found in the WTC ruins,
and mysterious images are seen
in the smoke of the WTC Towers.
Go to Crosses & WTC Images.   Many scholars, astronomers,
and theologians believe The Star of
Bethlehem was seen on Sept.11, 3 B.C.
Go to September 11 in History.  

 

  
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 May God Bless the Many
Souls, Who Lost Their
Lives, on September 11,
2001, in New York City,
the Pentagon, and on
Flights 11, 175, 77, & 93.   







David A. Brown
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From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/18/2001 10:05 am  
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Source:http://www.september11news.com/Mysteries1.htm

Many Mysterious Images and Objects are Seen in the WTC Smoke.
Crosses are Seen Standing in the Ruins after the WTC Towers Collapse. 
Images and Crosses
Editor's Comments

On the morning of September 11, 2001, I was working at my home office. After being informed of the first
 terrorist attack on the Trade Center towers I turned on the television and watched the horror unfold. I was
shocked at the unimaginable destruction, and overwhelming loss of life. It was a tragedy beyond belief.

As I watched that morning, I noticed a series of eerie faces in the billowing smoke. These images appeared
to morph in the seemingly never-ending pillars of ugly black smoke. I made a mental note of these surreal
apparitions, and I mentioned it to my wife. I did not discuss these sightings again. After all, I tend to see
images in clouds. However the images I see in clouds are always pleasant images, usually animals.

In assembling the archives for this site, I viewed thousands of images and newspaper covers. Again, I noticed
the eerie faces in the still images of the smoke of the burning towers. They seemed to be present in not just
 one, but several of the burning tower images. Further research provided additional information and seemed
 to confirm what I was seeing.

I was not alone in noticing these awful faces.

Mark D. Phillips, a professional AP photographer in New York, captured an incredibly real image of an evil,
devil-like face that is distinguishable on the side of the tower's exterior structure. The authenticity of this
image has caused a bit of a stir. Our research has concluded that his image is original and not doctored.

The Associated Press and Mark Phillips have unequivocally denied any tampering or enhancement of the
image. In fact, neither AP or Phillips were aware of what the photograph appeared to reveal until the image
was noticed by readers of US newspapers. When the photo appeared on an early Wednesday (Sept. 12)
edition of the Saginaw (Michigan) Press, the phone calls began. (See images below.)

Further reports indicate that both CNN and ABC have also captured additional devilish images on their
television videotape coverage. (See images below.)

Additional faces and images have also been identified by several others. (See images below.)

The images on this page are not intended to frighten. They are what they are: mostly evil images from an evil
act. I, like most people in the world, are convinced that goodness will prevail over evil, and we pray that the
likes of these images will never be seen again.

In a speech to the USA on September 11th, President Bush said, "Today, our nation saw evil." He may have
been literally correct. Later in that same speech he also said, "Tonight, I ask for your prayers for all those
who grieve, for the children whose worlds have been shattered, for all whose sense of safety and security
has been threatened. And I pray they will be comforted by a power greater than any of us spoken through
the ages in Psalm 23: "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil for
you are with me."

Not all images below depict evil faces. Some images depict angel-like images, objects, and flying creatures.

We offer our research as an archive of the images that show something, whatever that something may be.

There are also remarkable stories of NYC firemen dropping to their knees in prayer after seeing crosses
rising up from the catastrophic ruins of the WTC towers.

We begin this section with the original story of the crosses, images of one of the crosses, where the cross was
originally sighted, and a memorial with the NYC Fire Department.

God Bless Our(His) Earth. 

Crosses Standing in the Ruins of the WTC Towers.
Images are AP or Reuters
Click on the images for a larger view. 

 
The WTC Cross is
an inspiration to the
Ground Zero workers. 
Two NYC Firemen
raise hands at a
Cross Ceremony
on October 4, 2001,
where the Cross
was blessed.  
Subsequent to the NY Post story below, we located a photograph of one of the original crosses
found on the top of the rubble (image top left). It is the same cross used in the October 4th
memorial ceremony with the New York City Fire Department (image top right). The cross of
steel beams was blessed at Ground Zero on the northwestern side of the World Trade tower
attacks site. The cross was found by a laborer at the site two days after the twin towers'
collapsed and later moved to its present location. Father Brian Jordan blessed the cross. The
cross was from World Trade Tower One, and was found in World Trade Building Six and moved
to its present location. (Click on the images for a larger view.) 

On September 23, 2001, The New York Post Published the Following Story:
 NY Post

You are looking at what some people believe is a miracle.

Two days after the disaster, a construction worker found several perfectly formed crosses planted upright in a
pit in the rubble of the heavily damaged 6 World Trade Center.

The large, cross-shaped metal beams just happened to fall that way when one of the towers collapsed. An FBI
chaplain who has spent days at ground zero says he has not seen anything like it on the vast site.

As word of the find has spread at ground zero, exhausted and emotionally overwhelmed rescue workers have
been flocking to the site to pray and meditate.

"People have a very emotional reaction when they see it," says the Rev. Carl Bassett, an FBI chaplain. "They
are amazed to see something like that in all the disarray. There's no symmetry to anything down there, except
those crosses."

Chaplain Ray Giunta of Sacramento, Calif., has been to the crosses to pray with rescue workers.

"One of the firefighters pointed to them last night and told me, There's my angel,'" Giunta said.

The angel protecting the pit where the crosses were found is the Brooklyn-born hardhat who found them: a
gentle giant named Frank Silecchia.

Silecchia, 47, who now lives in Little Ferry, N.J., found the crosses on the Thursday morning immediately
following the collapse of the towers. He marked the site by spray-painting on a nearby wall the words
"God's House," and a directional arrow.

"The crosses are just shards of steel that came from the Tower 1 [the north tower], and went right through
the roof of Building 6 and destroyed the entire center of it," he explained.

"When I first saw it, it took my heart, and made me cry for about 20 minutes," he says. "It helped me heal
the burden of my despair, and gave me closure on the whole catastrophe."

In subsequent days, Silecchia, a born-again Christian, led his fellow rescue workers and others - many of
whom were grieving the loss of loved ones - to the crosses.

A veteran firefighter who had been digging through the twisted metal for his lost firefighter son. An angry
cop who lost someone in the collapse. A Vatican representative, who photographed the crosses for the
pope. And ABC's Barbara Walters.

He says they all left in peace.

 





David A. Brown
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From:  Lazarus_777   10/18/2001 4:24 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (13 of 42)  
 
  221.13 in reply to 221.10  
 
Don't forget 
United States:12 letters 
- 
1 for 1 Insane leader 

= 

11 

All I'm saying is you can find any number numerous times if you try hard enough.
 
  
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  From:  The Rebecca Review.com (A281NPSIMI1C)   10/18/2001 4:53 pm  
To:  Lazarus_777   (14 of 42)  
 
  221.14 in reply to 221.13  
 
My "um...lucky" number is 7. I don't really believe in luck the way some do, as in the god of luck, but many important days in my life, including birth, have the number 7 in it. My name is also 7 letters like yours. 
I have been looking for the number 12 in things lately. Thanx for giving me a start. 

Bioterrorism = 12 (Is that a real word or a new one? I can't find it in online dictionaries) 

I predicted something would happen with the number 12 next at another forum. People thought I was being silly. 

I say...numbers do mean things. In the Bible, numbers are very relevant. 

R. 




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  From:  The Rebecca Review.com (A281NPSIMI1C)   10/18/2001 5:00 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (15 of 42)  
 
  221.15 in reply to 221.11  
 
What can I say but...WOW. I just printed this stuff off to read it and I have a bunch more I thought up myself and collected. You have new stuff I have not yet seen...amazing. 
Thanx a ton for posting it. If I get the chance, will look up my info at the other forum and post it here. 

Together...we could write a book. ;> 

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From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/21/2001 11:58 am  
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You can find 11 letters in anything Like this guy did!

Just remember that Not everything is Truth but also Not everything is a Lie!

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Subject: Fw: A Sense of Humor

  

If you read the email going around about the number "11" for the past few 

weeks, you will love David's response to it. I don't know who David is, but 

his response is hilarious!!! Make sure you read beyond the Original Letter! 

~~~~~~~~~~ 

 

Original Letter: 

 

The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11 September 11th is the 254th 

day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11 After September 11th there are 111 days left 

to the end of the year. 119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11 

Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11 The first 

plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 I Have More....... State of New York - 

The 11th State added to the Union New York City - 11 Letters Afghanistan - 

11 Letters The Pentagon - 11 Letters Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted or 

orchestrating the attack at the WTC in 1993) Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 

= 11 Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

 

Dave's response: 

 

Oh my God! How worried should I be? There are 11 letters in the name "David 

Pawson!" I'm going into hiding NOW. See you in a few weeks. 

 

Wait a sec ... just realized "YOU CAN'T HIDE" also has 11 letters! What am I 

gonna do? Help me!!! The terrorists are after me! ME! I can't believe it! 

 

Oh crud, there must be someplace on the planet Earth I could hide! But no 

..."PLANET EARTH" has 11 letters, too! 

 

Maybe Nostradamus can help me. But dare I trust him? There are 11 letters in 

"NOSTRADAMUS." 

 

I know, the Red Cross can help. No they can't... 11 letters in "THE RED 

CROSS," can't trust them. 

 

I would rely on self defense, but "SELF DEFENSE" has 11 letters in it, too! 

Can someone help? 

 

Anyone? If so, send me email. No, don't... "SEND ME EMAIL" has 11 

letters.... 

 

Will this never end? I'm going insane! "GOING INSANE???" Eleven letters!! 

 

Nooooooooooo!!!!!! I guess I'll die alone, even though "I'LL DIE ALONE"  has 

11 letters..... 

 

Oh my God, I just realized that America is doomed! Our Independence Day is 

July 4th ... 7/4 ... 7+4=11! 

 

~Dave 

 

PS. "IT'S BULL-" has 11 letters also.  

 





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From:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   10/28/2001 8:29 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (17 of 42)  
 
  221.17 in reply to 221.10  
 
David, I picked this up in the Sceptic Forum here in Delphi: 
[begin quote] 
Copyright 2001 Michael Shermer, Skeptics Society, Skeptic magazine, e-Skeptic magazine Permission to print, 
distribute, and post with proper citation and acknowledgment. 
Fellow Skeptics: 

I apologize for not posting on the e-Skeptic for the past several months. I will try to get more active in this department, starting with this hilarious example of humans as pattern-seeking animals: 

MAGIC 11 NUMEROLOGY 

This is being passed around on the internet, sent to me care of JPL scientist and friend of the Skeptics Society, Alan Harris, about the terrorist attacks: 

>The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 =3D 11 
>September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11 
>After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. 
>119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11 
>Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11 
>The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 
>State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union 
>New York City - 11 Letters 
>Afghanistan - 11 Letters 
>The Pentagon - 11 Letters 
>Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack on the WTC 
>in 1993) 
>Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11 
>Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11 
> 
Oh my God! How worried should I be? I'm going into hiding NOW. See you in a few weeks. 

Wait a sec ... just realized "YOU CAN'T HIDE" also has 11 letters! What am I gonna do? Help me!!! The terrorists are after me! ME! I can't believe it! 

Oh crap, there must be someplace on the planet Earth I could hide! But No... "PLANET EARTH" has 11 letters, too! 

Maybe Nostradamus can help me. But dare I trust him? There are 11 letters in "NOSTRADAMUS." 

I know, the Red Cross can help. No they can't... 11 letters in, "THE RED CROSS", can't trust them. 

I would rely on self defense, but "SELF DEFENSE" has 11 letters in it, too! 

Can someone help? Anyone? If so, send me email. No, don't..."SEND ME 
EMAIL" has 11 letters.... 

Will this never end? I'm going insane! "GOING INSANE???" Eleven letters!! 

Nooooooooooo!!!!!! I guess I'll die alone, even though "I'LL DIE ALONE" has 11 letters..... 

Oh my God, I just realized that America is doomed! Our Independence Day is July 4th ... 7+4=11! 

PS: "IT'S BULL****" has 11 letters also. [end quote] 

I made very slight changes and substituted '****' for a word that would have gotten this letter removed. I also removed two web site addresses as I had a message removed in this forum months ago for having included a web site address. If this message is removed, please be so kind to let me know. 

All the best, David W Horne ... oh no! eleven letters yet again!!! 

 
  
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  From:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   10/28/2001 12:11 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (18 of 42)  
 
  221.18 in reply to 221.11  
 
David, since I live in the Netherlands, I am at this moment trying to confirm the story re a calendar in Almere. I've already contacted the Telegraaf and am waiting for a reply. The Telegraaf is a newspaper on the level of the New York Daily News - a tabloid with lots of pictures. 
Since the date you gave is relatively recent, it should be easy to verify ... or to label as yet another urban legend. 

I will report my finding either way. 

All the best, Dave Horne
 
  
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  From:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   10/28/2001 12:43 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (19 of 42)  
 
  221.19 in reply to 221.11  
 
David, a follow-up on my reply ... I went to De Telegraaf online and looked into their archieves (click on "Telegraaf-i- archief" when you're at their site - and enter in the date 26-09-2001). I won't include their site address in this message as I had a messsage removed and the reason given was the inclusion of an internet address. 
Do a google search using De Telegraaf as key words. 
I found the following: Opschudding om moslimkalender 
Een in Egypte gedrukte kalender met een afbeelding van een neerstortend vliegtuig met New York op de achtergrond, die eind mei - ruim 3 maanden voor de aanslag - bij of in een islamitische school in Almere zou zijn verspreid, heeft voor opschudding bij het gemeentebestuur gezorgd. Burgemeester Hans Ouwerkerk heeft gisteren naar aanleiding van de kalender, waarvan een exemplaar in het bezit kwam van deze krant, de zaak aangemeld bij de Binnenlandse Veiligheidsdienst (BVD). Deze dienst stelt in een eerste reactie dat er geen direct verband is met de recente aanslagen in de Verenigde Staten. 

... The last sentence states (in my limited Dutch): This (BVD) security service (the Dutch FBI) says in their first reaction that there is no direct connection with the recent attacks in the US. 

It is an interesting article, but at this moment it is a non-news item. 

If there was a follow-up on that in De Telegraaf, I was not aware of it as we subscribe to a different newspaper. I will report any information I discover as I, too, find this interesting. I vaguely remember hearing something about this, but that's all I remember. 

Dave Horne 

 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/28/2001 1:08 pm  
To:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   (20 of 42)  
 
  221.20 in reply to 221.19  
 
Dave,

 

One of the links should lead to a link of the picture of the Calendar. I ran across it somewhere. The picture shows an Airliner on fire and crashing with the NY skyline in the background.

 

The calendar picture is a general Terrorist topic of terrorists causing massive damage and destruction to America.

 

Kind of, the point is, that Hijacking is a favored terrorist activity yet the CIA, FBI etc. Were that last ones to know and the last to offer protection to the citizens and visitors of America.

 

If you want to investigate something try to find information about the NY Stock Exchange investigating large scale transactions that involved the selling of stocks in insurance companies that insured the buildings and of other companies that did business in the buildings. Many of the companies stock transaction volumes Tippled in the few days prior to the attack.

 

David





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From:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   10/28/2001 1:26 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (21 of 42)  
 
  221.21 in reply to 221.20  
 
David, you can see the picture from the calender yourself by going to De Telegraaf 's web site ( www.telegraaf.nl/ ) and clicking on 'Het Telegraaf-i archief' on the right side of the web page. Then enter in the date (26 -09 -2001) in the ready made date box and then click on Zoek (Search). You will then see the calander and the article that appeared on that day. 
Depending on the 'extras' you have on your Windows IE, you can then right click on the photo to enlarge it. I don't doubt that the photo exists, I only question the original meaning and _when_ it originally appeared. You only hear these stories _after_ the fact. There's a web site dedicated to Urban Legends and a lot of false rumors are explained there. This particular one, at least for me, is up in the air. Take a look for yourself. Dave
 
  
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  From:  littlbit0321   11/13/2001 8:12 pm  
To:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   (22 of 42)  
 
  221.22 in reply to 221.21  
 
David you just have No Clue about 11:11. 
I am sorry it seems you have not been picked to experience this great wonder. 
Here are some great sites that if I am not mistaken, were made before Sep. 11, 2001 that you should check out. 

http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/activation-11.11-eleven-gates.html 

http://www.crystalinks.com/11.11.html 

 
  
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  From:  littlbit0321   11/13/2001 8:14 pm  
To:  ALL   (23 of 42)  
 
  221.23 in reply to 221.21  
 
http://www.crystalinks.com/11.11.html 
http://www.nvisible.com/
 
  
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  From:  littlbit0321   11/13/2001 8:23 pm  
To:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   (24 of 42)  
 
  221.24 in reply to 221.21  
 
Dave Horne... 
Iam so sorry, i think i sent that message to the wrong Dave. Sorry about that. I can understand people being skeptical about the number 11, but I think they shouldnt make fun of something they really dont know much about. 
No one really knows what it means yet, but my whole family has had major experiences with it for years. 

 
  
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  From:  littlbit0321   11/13/2001 8:27 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (25 of 42)  
 
  221.25 in reply to 221.11  
 
I know a little boy who came home from school the friday before the attacks, very scared because he heard that WW3 was about to start! 
Now it could be a coincedence I know, but it spooked me!!!
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/13/2001 10:10 pm  
To:  littlbit0321   (26 of 42)  
 
  221.26 in reply to 221.25  
 
Hi,

 

For the record I do think that numbers have meaning. Meaning's that God has assigned to them. And also meaning's that Satan attaches to them.

 

I made that one Post to those who do Not see the significance in what is going on.

 

David



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  From:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   11/14/2001 1:45 am  
To:  littlbit0321   (27 of 42)  
 
  221.27 in reply to 221.22  
 
Dear Littlbit0321, may I call you just Littl? 
Well, please do not feel sorry for me because I 'have not been picked to experience this great wonder.' 

[Numerology - <<Divination by numbers; the branch of knowledge that deals with the occult or esoteric significance of numbers.>> has been with us for quite a while ... that definition, by the way, comes from my Oxford Dictionary.] 

You seem to make so much out this and there is no scientific proof for any of this. If the 'numbers' don't fit, they, of course, are not included. 

Do me one favor, since you seem to believe that things can be predicted, pass on to me a prediction from one of those sites. Tell me when something will happen. I always hear this stuff ____after___ the fact; isn't that always interesting? 

All the best, Dave Horne 





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  From:  littlbit0321   11/14/2001 5:22 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (28 of 42)  
 
  221.28 in reply to 221.26  
 
You may have not seen it yet, but I sent you a second message, telling you that I was sorry, that the "no clue" message was supposed to be sent to the other Dave. I dont know what to make of 11.Its always been apart of my families lives. we just always joked about it, and people thought it was strange . Then in the year 2000 when I first got a computer, I decided to research the number eleven because to many spooky things were happening to my mother and I. Theres so many 11:11 sites!I couldnt believe it.It all means something but I dont know how it all fits into my familys life or others. I still continued to "blow it off". 
Then after reading the emails about Sep. 11, and how the number 11 pops up so much, I know it cant be my imagination. 
So, now I am just trying to figure out how it all plays into such a huge meaning in my familys life as well as others, and with dealth and war. Are we chosen for something? Is there something we are supposed to do? I really feel that it comes like waves in ones life during a change of events. Thats how it is with me. Getting married, having a child.. ect. I think that we go through stages until we get to dealth. Maybe it is intended for everyone, but its just that some people are more receptive to notice it. 
As I said, I am sorry for the confusion, I realized that it was sent to the wrong person after the fact. 
It just bothers me when people make fun of something rather than just blowing it off to be nothing. 

Thank you for your time
 
  
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  From:  littlbit0321   11/14/2001 5:24 am  
To:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   (29 of 42)  
 
  221.29 in reply to 221.27  
 
I dont know what to make of 11.Its always been apart of my families lives. we just always joked about it, and people thought it was strange . Then in the year 2000 when I first got a computer, I decided to research the number eleven because to many spooky things were happening to my mother and I. Theres so many 11:11 sites!I couldnt believe it.It all means something but I dont know how it all fits into my familys life or others. I still continued to "blow it off". 
Then after reading the emails about Sep. 11, and how the number 11 pops up so much, I know it cant be my imagination. 
So, now I am just trying to figure out how it all plays into such a huge meaning in my familys life as well as others, and with dealth and war. Are we chosen for something? Is there something we are supposed to do? I really feel that it comes like waves in ones life during a change of events. Thats how it is with me. Getting married, having a child.. ect. I think that we go through stages until we get to dealth. Maybe it is intended for everyone, but its just that some people are more receptive to notice it. 
I just wish that people wouldnt make fun of something that they have not experienced. If I was them I would just blow it off.
 
  
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  From:  Dave Horne (DaveHorne711)   11/14/2001 5:41 am  
To:  littlbit0321   (30 of 42)  
 
  221.30 in reply to 221.29  
 
Hi, numerology has absolutely no basis in science, period. You can read anything into anything you want to. 
Eleven may have special meaning for some because it is a prime number - a number that can only divided (we're talking whole numbers here) by one and itself, other than that, there are no magical qualities. 

I suggest you take a look at some 'urban legends' site. Use a search engine and enter those words. While you may see legitimate (sic) sites re the number 11, you will see some sites explaining the myths away. 

If you wish to have your life directed by numbers, be my guest. The human shell that I am inhabiting is mostly under my own control and I plan to keep it that way. 

Numerology and other such disproved, time wasting distractions are attractive to those who choose not to examine things critically. 

All the best, Dave Horne 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/11/2002 6:17 pm  
To:  ALL   (32 of 42)  
 
  221.32 in reply to 221.9  
 
Awe-Inspiring WTC Find: God Speaking?
By Cathryn Conroy, CompuServe News Editor

Dig, dig, dig. That's what they're still doing at the World Trade Center trying to find the bodies and personal belongings of the victims. Recently, they made an awe-inspiring find. Photographer Gary Gere and FDNY safety director Michael Bellone were among the diggers and in all that steel and rubble and dust they found a page from the Bible where the south tower once stood. And on that page from the Book of Genesis was this verse: "Then they said, 'Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.'" 

In Genesis, the words are about the doomed Tower of Babel. For Gere, the words are about faith and hope. It's "a sign from God that he is still watching over us," he told The New York Post. "After more than 93 days of fires, a skinny little frail page from the Bible survived. I find it quite unbelievable." Gere is on the site documenting the recovery efforts at Ground Zero. "I was blown away," said Bellone. "It was amazing." He told The Post that he thinks there is a greater meaning here. "We can't rebuild fast enough. We can start over all again." 
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This is quite a misquote of the Bible.

 

That verse in Genesis is about mans rebellion against God this is taking place shortly after the flood of Noah when God had instructed the descendants of Noah to scatter throughout the entire world and to populate the world. The people were directly disobeying God and gathered together in an attempt to build one city.

 

Gods response was to confound the languages of the people and by giving the people different languages they then dispersed throughout the world in compliance with Gods original intentions. 

Have a Living in Jesus Day,

David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/9/2002 12:03 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (33 of 42)  
 
  221.33 in reply to 221.32  
 
On Aug. 16, FBI Agent 'Predicted' 9-11

By Cathryn Conroy, CompuServe News Editor
In a chilling admission, FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Wednesday that his agency ignored an agent's warning on Aug. 16 that Islamic militant Zacarias Moussaoui was the kind of person who might "fly something into the World Trade Center." According to the New York Post, Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the FBI agent who arrested Moussaoui in Minnesota on Aug. 16 "took the belief that this is the type of individual to take a plane and hijack it. In one of the notes, the agent in Minneapolis mentioned the possibility of Moussaoui being the type of person who could fly something into the World Trade Center." 

Moussaoui was later described as the "20th hijacker." Because he was in prison on Sept. 11, he could not participate in the terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Mueller's admission showed for the first time that an FBI agent had envisioned the horrifying scenario that actually occurred on Sept. 11. The Associated Press reports that Mueller also told the congressional hearing that the hijackers left no paper trail. "We have not yet uncovered a single piece of information, either here or in the treasure-trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere, that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot,'" he explained. "As best as we can determine, the actual hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind." 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/2/2002 10:36 pm  
To:  ALL   (34 of 42)  
 
  221.34 in reply to 221.33  
 
   Report: CIA Knew Two Sept. 11 Hijackers Were in U.S.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Months before the Sept. 11 attacks, the CIA knew two of the hijackers were in the United States and that they were connected to the al Qaeda organization, Newsweek reported on Sunday.

According to the report that will hit newsstands on Monday, the intelligence was never passed along to the FBI, which now asserts that if it had known, agents could have uncovered the terrorist plot.

Newsweek said the CIA became aware of one of the terrorists, Nawaf Alhazmi, a few days after he attended a secret planning meeting of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda in Malaysia in January 2000.

Agents also discovered that another of the men, Khalid Almihdhar, had already obtained a multiple-entry visa that allowed him to enter and leave the United States at will.

The magazine said the CIA did nothing with the information, neither notifying the FBI, which could have tracked the two men, or the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which could have turned them away at the border.

Instead, Newsweek said that for a year and nine months after the CIA identified them as terrorists, Alhazmi and Almihdhar lived openly in the United States, using their real names, obtaining driver's licenses, opening bank accounts and enrolling in flight schools. On the morning of Sept. 11, they boarded one of the four hijacked airliners, American Airlines Flight 77, and crashed it into the Pentagon.

Some 3,000 people died in the attacks outside Washington and in New York and rural Pennsylvania.

Appearing on the "Fox News Sunday" program, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said he had been given the Newsweek report but had not "had a chance to digest this story ... to read it thoroughly and get the details."

Nonetheless, Ashcroft added, "We are at war. We need to seize on every possibility for preventing additional attacks. That is our strategy. That is our responsibility, and we need to coordinate the activities between our agencies."

Newsweek said the information was held at the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, the base camp for the agency's war on bin Laden. The magazine said that when Almihdhar's visa expired, the State Department, not knowing any better, issued him a new one in July 2001, even though the CIA had linked him to one of the suspected bombers of the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000.

The FBI now is asserting that the two terrorists' frequent meetings with the other Sept. 11 hijackers could have provided federal agents with a road map to the entire cast, the magazine said. But the FBI didn't know it was supposed to be looking for them until three weeks before the strikes, when CIA Director George Tenet, worried an attack was imminent, ordered a review.

An all-points bulletin was sent on Aug. 23, 2001, launching law enforcement agents on an urgent and futile search for the two men.

Newsweek said FBI officials have prepared a detailed chart showing how agents could have uncovered the terrorist plot if they had learned about Almihdhar and Alhazmi sooner, given their contacts with at least five of the other hijackers.

 Copyright Reuters Ltd.



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/3/2002 11:58 am  
To:  ALL   (35 of 42)  
 
  221.35 in reply to 221.1  
 
Has everyone seen or heard about the way to fold a $20 bill and it comes out looking like the Pentagon and Twin World Trade Centers all smoking and on fire.

 

This only works by folding the Old Style $20 bill the new ones dont do this.

 

Here is a link to a site that has Photos of the folds and of the results.

 

Twenty Dollar Bill Folding Instructions

 

David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/3/2002 12:29 pm  
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  221.36 in reply to 221.35  
 
Here is a link to another page on that sitw that shows two more photos of a folded $20. One spells out Osama and the other spells out Arafat. Arafat is spelled out backwards but remember that Hebrew and Arabic are read from right to left.

 

More Photos

 

Note: scroll down their web page to see the results.

 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/10/2002 12:16 pm  
To:  ALL   (37 of 42)  
 
  221.37 in reply to 221.33  
 
                                          "JESUS HELP ME" 
                            The Faith of Todd Beamer 


     "I don't think we're going to get out of this thing. 
     I'm going to have to go out on faith." 

     It was the voice of Todd Beamer, the passenger 
     ... and Wheaton College graduate ... who said, 
     "Let's roll" as he led the charge against the 
     terrorists who hadhijacked United Flight 93, 
     the one, you will remember, that crashed in 
     the Pennsylvania countryside. 

     The whole world knows how brave Beamer 
     and his fellow passengers were on September 11th. 
     But this week we learned more fully what buttressed 
     that bravery: Faith in Jesus Christ. 
     Todd died as he lived . a faithful evangelical believer. 

     In an article titled "The Real Story of Flight 93," 
     Newsweek reveals gripping new details from the 
     actual transcripts of the now-recovered cockpit 
     voice recorder. "Todd had been afraid," 
     Newsweek relates. 
     "More than once, he cried out for his Savior." 

     After passengers were herded to the back of the 
     jet, Beamer called the GTE Customer Center 
     in Oakbrook, Illinois . He told supervisor Lisa 
     Jefferson about the hijacking. The passengers 
     were planning to jump the terrorists, he said. 
     And then he asked her to pray with him. 

     As Newsweek relates . 
     "Beamer kept a Lord's Prayer bookmark in his 
     Tom Clancy novel, but he didn't need any 
     prompting. He began to recite the ancient litany, 
     and Jefferson joined him: 
     Our Father which art in heaven, 
     Hallowed be Thy name." 

     As they finished, Beamer added, 
     "Jesus, help me." 
     And then, Beamer and his fellow passengers 
     prayed a prayer that has comforted millions 
     down through the centuries . the prayer that 
     David wrote in a time of great anguish: 
     The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want . 
     Yea, though I walk through the valley 
     of the shadow of death, 
     I will fear no evil. 

     And then the famous last words: 
     "Are you guys ready?  Let's roll." 

     We now know from the cockpit voice recorder 
     that Beamer and other passengers wrestled with 
     the hijackers and forced the plane to crash into 
     the ground, killing themselves but foiling what 
     was believed to have been the hijackers' plan to 
     fly Flight 93 into the Capitol or the White House. 

     As Christians, we know that God can bring good 
     out of evil. In Todd Beamer, the world witnesses 
     a faith that held up in the extremity of fear. 
     A faith that is even now comforting his widow 
     and two young sons. 

     Lisa Beamer told NBC's Dateline, 
     "You know, in the Lord's Prayer, it asks us 
     to forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who 
     trespass against us." "As Todd prayed this prayer 
     in the last moments of his life, in a way," Lisa said, 
     "He was forgiving those people for what they were 
     doing, the most horrible thing you could ever do 
     to someone." 

     It wasn't Todd Beamer's job to fight terrorists. 
     He was just a passenger, who along with several 
     others, did what he didn't have to do but foiled a 
     terrible evil that might have been done to his country. 

     As Flight 93 hurtled towards destruction, 
     Todd Beamer could not have known that his 
     quiet prayers would ultimately be heard by 
     millions .. that the story of his last acts on 
     earth would be a witness to the Lord he loved 
     and served and a lasting example of true heroism. 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/26/2002 2:05 pm  
To:  ALL   (38 of 42)  
 
  221.38 in reply to 221.34  
 

9/11 Coincidence Revealed

By Cathryn Conroy, CompuServe News Editor
The National Reconnaissance Office, a federal intelligence agency based in the Virginia suburbs just outside Washington, D.C. that operates many of the nation's spy satellites, has revealed a task it had planned to do last September 11: a simulated accident in which an airplane would crash into one of its buildings. 

First, note the word "simulated." The exercise would simulate what would happen if a small corporate jet accidentally crashed into one of the agency's four towers and how employees should react in a disaster situation in which the building experienced a mechanical failure. No actual plane was to be involved. To simulate the effect of a "crash," some stairwells and exits would be closed off, which would force employees to find other ways to evacuate. Located just four miles from Washington Dulles International Airport from which the hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 took off at 8:10 a.m. before crashing into the Pentagon, the National Reconnaissance Office never did carry out its exercise. Officials have only now revealed that it was even planned and call the timing a bizarre coincidence. "It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," spokesman Art Haubold told The Associated Press. "As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise." He emphasized that terrorism was not part of the exercise, which had been planned for several months.



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Mar-15 7:50 am  
To:  ALL   (39 of 42)  
 
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MORE INTERESTING INFO ON THE NUMBER 11 
IN CONNECTION WITH THE TERRORISM 

15 March 2004 

I heard this on Fox News today:  They said there were 911 days between the Twin Towers attack on September 11, 2001 and the bomb attacks on the trains in Madrid Spain on March 11, 2004.  They reported it right:  From 12 September to 31 December 2001 there were 111 days, 2002 and 2003 each had 365 days, and from 1 January to 10 March 2004 there were 70 days (111 + 365 + 365 + 70 = 911). 

In looking at the calender for this year I noticed that March 11 was the 11th Thursday of the year.  I also noticed that the words "Madrid, Spain" have 11 letters. 

Coincidence?  I think not! 

In the Bible in 2 Chron. 36:5-6, Jer. 52:1-7, Ezek. 26:1-5, 30:20-26 the word "eleven" is used in conjunction with judgment upon Israeli and Gentile kings or nations. 

In view of the Scriptural meaning of the number 11, I still believe the fact of the 11's encoded in history are a warning from God for America and now Europe to get right or get judged. 

I believe the events in Madrid Spain on the 11th Thursday of 2004 on March 11 was a second Divine wake up call (nothing to do with Allah of course), and I stand by the article that I wrote shortly after 9/11 (9 + 1 + 1 = 11). 

Also see my article on Psalm 11. 

Blessings, 
John Henry 




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   From:  Uncle Tommy (TCASTEN1)   Mar-23 2:46 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (40 of 42)  
 
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9 + 11 = 20. 
 
  
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From:  Ranchmom (CCAranchmom)   Mar-31 1:22 pm  
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That's interesting to know. For months, maybe half a year, I saw 11's every time I turned around. Way more than average. Caused me to wonder if the number 11 had any Biblical significance. 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    Mar-31 3:15 pm  
To:  Ranchmom (CCAranchmom)   (42 of 42)  
 
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Hi,

 

Im not sure of a Biblical significance for number 11.

 

Here is a listing of some Bible numbers and their use and meaning.

http://www.BasicChristian.org/numbers.html 

 

I think in the case with 9/11 these numbers and many symbols are a way for the occult  secret societies like the Masons to communicate among themselves.

 

Of course they would not openly tell the world what they are up to but they do communicate their existence and activities and intentions among each other.

 

God Bless you,
David A. Brown



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